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He might be onto something with that if Israelis were in the same position today that they were in the 40's and 50's. Not discounting everything they went through back then but the power dynamics between Israel and Palestine today are totally different now. What many blacks continue to go through in this country (U.S.) is far closer to what a Palestinian goes through than an Israeli in 2009 and as long as the Palestinians continue to be such an underdog the majority of hip hop will continue to support it.
I slept through world history in high school so I can't add much to the rest of the discussion. Interesting reading though.
Kosha's definition of Zionism sounds harmless enough in theory, but 'the affirmation of a democratic state for the Jewish people' as he says leads to a whole lot of people who aren't Jewish either dead or living behind a wall in abject poverty.
thanks to 33jones for a great thought provoking interview.
Zionism to ME guys...means totally fighting for what my entire family has died for...being a Jew, and nothing else.
It means going to a place and knowing the value of why i wake up every day to do music and represent what i represent, in venues where i know i will recieve prejudice for havinga gold star around my neck .
It contains believing in the right to exist for a jewish nation because you never understand the real beauty of your home until you have really been there.spoke the language..ate the offd...sat on the steps ...and then seen someone try to move into your home and take it away, forcing you into a bomb shelter..or to make my grandparents put a gas mask on when Sadaam fired Scuds toward Haifa in the Gulf War.
Myself gentlemen....i will not let anyone tarnish the essence of what my ancestors and brothers and , cousins and other family members have fought for thier entire lives..a home.
Zionism means fighting for Beer Sheva in the South and Nahariya in the North, which were bombed in both by both Hamas and Hezbollah. i want my cousins to live in a home where they dont need to use their bomb shelter. Nazis already eradicated all my grandparents family in there holocaust in gas chambers and now you want to use bombs?
Zionism doesnt call for the destruction of innocent people who unfortunately die. It wants us all to exist in peace. It really wants a place to call home. When groups like Hamas and Hezbollah's soul purpose to existence is to kil us all and throw us into the sea, then there is no question of why a Zioist revolution is a just as any other revolution. We are fighting to live.
thanks again...for all the comments. i hope this makes you think different. Be kind and make sure you listen to the freestyle vs written album. its a great test of unity and diversity with C Rayz Walz, a great and amazing freestyler.
xo
kosha
Please. We have come too far to stop the fight. We deserve every right to live in our own revolution. Zionist revolution is a just revolution to exist as Jews who have persecuted for so long with no homeland. Finally we have a small piece of land...finally...and we have every G-d given right to keep it at all cost. if you want peace, then stop shooting rockets and sending bombs to our cities and villages. thank you.
http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml
thanks kate.
I actually have family who is gettin bombed in the north...and south...
it is not equated on the amount of people...but its ashame that people who attack innocent people aimlessly with rockets(that also kill israeli arabs and jews) hide behind innocent civilians and coerce them into fear after firing from within thier people.
Also again, i have been to the west bank...and i have been to israel. its nto some warzone. israel is very safe. Only certain parts are dangerous. sort of like NY and NJ...ya see?
ps.
this website above is reporting attacks on innocent civilians as while the truth is that Israel are not targeting civilians. Those are human shields and people who are unfortunately caught in cross fire. if we wanted to kill everybody, it would be done in 20 minutes with air raids. if the head of Hamas' home has 4 wives and over ten children. They will unfortuantley be in the house. But what kind of mother sends their children to die for Allah strapped to a bomb?
My prayers go out to all those innocently affected
FEEL FREE TO SEE A different point of view.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com
As people who have been coming here for a while already know, several of my friends were killed by terrorists. For a long time after that I could really only see everything going on in the middle east as a black or white situation, even though I was fairly well versed in the political history of the region (I actually majored in Middle Eastern studies in college) -- you were either on the side of the "terrorists" or you were against them (a mentality that has fucked up a whole lot of things in the U.S., but that's a discussion for another time...), and Israel seemed to be the one country that fell squarely into the category of "against terrorism."
So I used to have blinders on whenever the subject of Israel came up. But as I've gotten older, I realize that it's obviously a lot more complicated than that, and there really are no good guys in the fight. Sure, both groups have their reasons for fighting (and given the history of the Jews, Israel certainly has a strong argument for the necessity of having and using brute force) but the reasons just aren't good enough to justify all of the civilians that have been killed on both sides.
Like I said at the start of the interview, it's the innocents that are getting screwed over by their leaders, the people who claim to be looking after their best interests but instead end up using them as pawns in their political chess match. Those are the people I am most sympathetic towards.
For the sake of full disclosure, I should point out that Sol was the main person responsible for motivating me to reach out to Kosha and ask for an interview. Though he clearly has a strong emotional involvement in the issue, Sol has been nothing but polite during our email exchanges and he was most definitely not one of the "internet trolls" that I was referring to in the post.
I don't expect Sol and Kosha to find common ground in their beliefs, but I do appreciate and respect what both of them have had to say to me about this whole issue.
peace
I an humbled that you came true on your word and posed some questions from me even though I am only a simple fan and you provide me a platform to challenge the assertions of Kosha Dillz from his position of privilege. I am quite passionate about issues of justice not just relating to the Palestinians, I was young when the Rwanda genocide played out on my TV screens and that led me to become conscious of barbarity inflicted to those who have no voice or leverage on the world stage.
Kosha Dillz, bro you have some Chutzpah no doubt. You movingly tell us of the hardship of your own family and what they have endured through each era of trauma that has blighted Jews, only to lead us to an argument that seems to justify whatever crimes Israel may thrown on the Palestinians and to demonize and smear their claims of injustice, you are using emotional blackmail of your own history to make us accept the oppression and persecution of another people. The sickening excuse you offer for civilian deaths is to claim that fighters are hiding behind civilians and therefore unavoidable, would you like the argument that some people put forward to justify attacks on Israeli’s as being legitimate due to the national conscription making every citizen a military target due to their ties with the military, no well don’t play this gross game of picking and choosing who is right to die. You ask what kind of mother lets her children die strapped to a bomb for Allah, I say a very delusional and unfortunate one, but than again I will ask you what Jewish mother allows her children to die for an imperialist state that ethnically cleanses others? You talk this phoney language of revolution saying that the Zionist revolution is a fight for Jewish survival, however you ignore that the creation of Israel only came after sustained terrorist attacks by underground Jewish terrorists of the Stern Gang, Hagganah, and Irgun which also lead paramilitary death squads to ethnically cleanse Palestinian villages and cities and overtake them after transferring the indigenous population or pacifying them. If you allow for a Zionist revolution which includes these crimes than why are you so hypocritical in your condemnation of Palestinians who fight for self determination , they may occasionally come out with garbage rhetoric of wiping out Israel but you and I know they have no military means to achieve that objective. The Palestinians have shed a lot of Jewish blood, the Zionists have shed Palestinian blood at a supremely higher ratio throughout history and not just in the current context. However, you speak from a position of privilege, it is easier for someone to speak on behalf of the victors of history as history is written by them, the losers of history continue and fight to have their voice heard and their truths accepted. Israel is the Goliath in every aspect, militarily, diplomatically and propaganda, however the Palestinian David has the strength of justice being on its side and their cause for self determination being the most powerful. I would be tedious to have a slinging match between us on the entire history of the Israel/Palestine conflict so for now let me heed Jay Smooth’s advice and let the experts do the job, and as he said he once worked with Amy Goodman at Democracy Now than lets take a debate from there;
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/8/former_amb...
, or is this not to your satisfaction as you have already dismissed my previous link from a well respected campaigning website.
How Ironic that your family came from the Warsaw Ghetto, the Palestinians have their own uprising to do from their ghettoes which have been occupied, bombed, blockaded and surrounded every bit barbarically as the Warsaw Ghetto was by the Nazi’s, yet you can’t even accept for anyone to feel sympathy for the oppressed but you side yourself with the oppressor.
I could not understand what you said about the reason why you name drop Arial Sharon but nether less you say people should lighten up, ok, well if the “butcher of Beirut” should be given some slack due to people not fully respecting him as a human than does that give us scope to see Hitler as human, after all he can be seen in an early home movie with his wife Eva mockingly dancing, does that mean he has a sense of humour and that makes him more human.
Your explanation of how we got to the current crisis in Gaza does not even merit a full dissection from me and I won’t insult the intelligence of fellow readers by challenging you on that but simply ask people if they are interested to do their own studies and not accept the half-truths, corporate media bias and the outright lies by impartial observers.
Finally, Dillz, you are not even original in the concept you aim to portray, Jewish rapper Remedy did a far superior work on his “Never Again” track off the Wu Tang Killa Bees compilation than anything you have done in terms of telling the tragic story of the Holocaust or Jewish plight in general. Though I like the production on your album.
Fresh, you said from the outset that you expect that me and Dillz will not find common ground, and on this issue you are right, so I will not speak anymore on the subject, however as children of Abraham we have enough common ground to see that none of us are superior to another or less than anther. However, the imbalance of power, the festering injustice of the oppressed and the silence from the world conscious leads to extremes unless we as ordinary people demand from our leaders a more just world order. That is the only way to defeat the terrorists and war criminals.
I hope the next occasion I comment is concerning may main love in life, music. Peace, Salam & Shalom
its all good man. i appreciate people who are passionate about the subject of freedom. Everyone deserves their opportunity. The only thing i state is for not to you to feel sorry for former oppression, but the reason why this war has started was due to the rocket attacks. That was why it started.
For that reason, it was just, according to Israel. In the end, I hope it all stops and there can be a resolution. With Hamas in power, I do not think there is opportunity for peace, since their main goal is to destory Israel and the Jews. With my family living in the south and in the north, including Nahariya, which was recently bombed again just as int he past war wit hezbollah, I wish to say they were fighting the oppressor. But I do hope you find sympathy for my family which is being bombed.
In the end, i hope to more people take alook on two sides and not just one. The reason why me and Walz wanted to make our album was becuase it would open eyebrows and provoke thought with our concepts. Seemingly so it has done such, with out really covering political topic in the songs. That was our goal. We made a song called "I love Jews.: "Ariel sharon" march to the death"
Follish Path" ...we made hip hop...good beats by a great upcoming producer. We wanted to make some heads turn with good music and controversial topics that many are afraid to address.
Until next time fellas, lets all keep prayers out there for the innocent people who have to perish for the evils that men do. Lets continue to bang out good music and hopefully in the end we can dance. .
The religious issues are what get the media attention and no doubt they were what started everything in the beginning. But now its hard to see everything going on over there as much more than a conflict over resources. If the region around israel had enough water and arable land and space so that everyone, palestinians and israelis, could live comfortably it would be a lot harder to get people motivated enough to kill themselves over all of this. Yeah, if you need to recruit some impressionable uneducated kid and get him to strap a bomb on his chest then you start prodding him with the religious stuff. And the israeli settlers claim that what they are doing is biblically inspired but really its nothing more than a land grab.